Possible generici in Alfredo, Alfredo

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Possible generici in Alfredo, Alfredo

Post by PeplumParadise » 23/02/2020, 15:13

In response to a request from Ciavazzaro, here is the topic to find possible generici in Alfredo, Alfredo (1972), starting by identifying all the known credited actors and known uncredited actors as we did with L'oro di Roma, then we can start to make deductions from whoever is left over.

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Re: Possible generici in Alfredo, Alfredo

Post by PeplumParadise » 23/02/2020, 15:25

Credited actors - opening credits

Dustin Hoffman - Alfredo Sbisà
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Stefania Sandrelli - Maria Rosa Cavaroni
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Carla Gravina - Carolina Betti
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Saro Urzi - Maria Rosa's father
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Duilio Del Prete - Oreste
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Luigi Baghetti (Gino Baghetti) - Alfredo's father
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Renzo Marignano - The gynecologist (other sites list him as The doctor)
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Danika La Loggia - Maria Rosa's mother
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Clara Colosimo - Carolina's mother
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Re: Possible generici in Alfredo, Alfredo

Post by PeplumParadise » 23/02/2020, 16:00

Credited actors - closing credits

Vincenzo Cannavale (Enzo Cannavale) - Guest at second wedding (other sites say he plays a lawyer of Alfredo's)
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Daniele Patella - ? (IMDb says he plays Carolina's father)
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Elisabetta Vito (Elisabetta Genovese) - Crucifissa
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Emanuela Fallini - Nora
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Jean Dumontet - ?
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Gianni Rizzo - ? (various sites say he should play a judge)
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Pier Anna Quaia (Ursula Davis) - Irene
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Mario Frera - Alfredo's lawyer
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Loredana Martinez - Gianna
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André Fouché - ?
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Vittorio Duse - Judge
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Giuseppe Caracciolo - ?
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Fernando Cerulli - ? (various sites say he should play a judge)
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Ettore Geri - Bank manager
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Carlo Dori - Servant
Other websites leave this actor unidentified and list Sandro Dori uncredited in this role, however Carlo, who is presumably Sandro's brother, looks slightly different and is known to me from other films
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Gianni Pulone (c.s.c.) - ?
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Francesco D'Adda - Justice at second wedding
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Enzo Ricciardi - ? (various sites say he should play a judge)
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Vittorio Fanfoni (c.s.c.) - ?
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Nazareno Cardarelli (Nazzareno Caldarelli) - ?
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Ugo Silvestri - Priest presiding at first wedding
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Re: Possible generici in Alfredo, Alfredo

Post by PeplumParadise » 23/02/2020, 16:06

Before I go any further I need to address a glaring question here. Gianni Rizzo and Enzo Ricciardi, who are the 2 most familiar actors to me in this cast, do not appear in the English language copy of the film from which I took the images. Since they, along with Fernando Cerulli, are credited as playing judges on many websites, I can only assume that they must feature in an additional courtroom scene which was cut from the English language print. Not a great start!

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Post by Ciavazzaro » 23/02/2020, 16:07

Ricciardi absolutely plays the judge (we have pics for him) so it looks likes as always some scenes have been cut from the american version.
Can you tell the exactly runtime of your version so we compare it with the italian one ?

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Re: Possible generici in Alfredo, Alfredo

Post by PeplumParadise » 23/02/2020, 16:09

Ciavazzaro wrote:
23/02/2020, 16:07
Ricciardi absolutely plays the judge (we have pics for him) so it looks likes as always some scenes have been cut from the american version.
Can you tell the exactly runtime of your version so we compare it with the italian one ?
My copy is 1:43.08 - IMDb says it should be 1:47

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Re: Possible generici in Alfredo, Alfredo

Post by Ciavazzaro » 23/02/2020, 16:12

I found a copy with italian titles which runs 1.47 in the worst case i will try to make comparisons between the two version and i will add the more actors not present in your version.

Here the italian version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQDVgWtsc3c

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Re: Possible generici in Alfredo, Alfredo

Post by PeplumParadise » 23/02/2020, 16:15

Identified uncredited actors

Manlio Dalla Pria - Hotel desk clerk
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Silvio Klein - Train passenger
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Teresa Rossi Passante - Train passenger
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Franca Scagnetti - A servant
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Silla Bettini - Barber
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Vera Drudi - Servant
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Re: Possible generici in Alfredo, Alfredo

Post by PeplumParadise » 23/02/2020, 16:17

Ciavazzaro wrote:
23/02/2020, 16:12
I found a copy with italian titles which runs 1.47 in the worst case i will try to make comparisons between the two version and i will add the more actors not present in your version.

Here the italian version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQDVgWtsc3c
Thanks, I'll check through that copy for the missing courtroom scene before I start to add the unidentified actors

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Re: Possible generici in Alfredo, Alfredo

Post by PeplumParadise » 23/02/2020, 16:42

Ciavazzaro wrote:
23/02/2020, 16:12
I found a copy with italian titles which runs 1.47 in the worst case i will try to make comparisons between the two version and i will add the more actors not present in your version.

Here the italian version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQDVgWtsc3c
I've scanned through that You Tube copy, but while the running time is longer I still don't see the courtroom scene with the 3 missing judges. Do you remember where in the film the scene was or do you still have the subtitled copy you took the images of Ricciardi from?

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