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Post by Johan Melle » 16/12/2022, 18:28

Does anyone else think that the man identified as Burt Nelson actually looks more like Isarco Ravaioli?

And are there any other opinions on the possible second role for Nazzareno Zamperla?

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Post by PeplumParadise » 16/12/2022, 18:38

Johan Melle wrote:
16/12/2022, 18:28
Does anyone else think that the man identified as Burt Nelson actually looks more like Isarco Ravaioli?
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Nelson left, Ravaioli right. Tough call, they really were very similar looking, but from the eyes and hairline I still favour Nelson

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Post by FatmanDan » 16/12/2022, 18:39

PeplumParadise wrote:
16/12/2022, 12:44
Mario Van Riel could maybe be the old man in 4, who is probably listed on IMDb as "Raimondo Van Riel" as Old man, however this hardly looks like someone who would still have been working in 1979, 20 years later, so maybe the "Raimondo" ID is correct? Mario's IMDb credits only commence in 1951.
Mario was Raimondo's son; the latter died in 1962. His (Mario's) first credit was for "Altura" in 1949 as Make-up artist.
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Post by PeplumParadise » 16/12/2022, 18:44

FatmanDan wrote:
16/12/2022, 18:39
PeplumParadise wrote:
16/12/2022, 12:44
Mario Van Riel could maybe be the old man in 4, who is probably listed on IMDb as "Raimondo Van Riel" as Old man, however this hardly looks like someone who would still have been working in 1979, 20 years later, so maybe the "Raimondo" ID is correct? Mario's IMDb credits only commence in 1951.
Mario was Raimondo's son; the latter died in 1962.
In which case the old man would be Raimondo (assuming he is either of them), as he's clearly too old to be Mario

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Post by Emiliano » 16/12/2022, 18:49

PeplumParadise wrote:
16/12/2022, 16:24
A shame to lose the info on Marra though, maybe you could add a Db topic for him using the images you posted here?
Done :thumbup:

Johan Melle wrote:
16/12/2022, 18:28
Does anyone else think that the man identified as Burt Nelson actually looks more like Isarco Ravaioli?

And are there any other opinions on the possible second role for Nazzareno Zamperla?
For me in N. 127-128 is absolutely Nazzareno Zamperla.

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16/12/2022, 18:24
Based on the image you posted I would say she's the servant front-centre in 51
I really don't know. From these pics she looks different, especially for the nose and cheeks.
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In the 40s (on the right)
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In early 70s
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Post by Johan Melle » 16/12/2022, 19:06

PeplumParadise wrote:
16/12/2022, 18:38
Johan Melle wrote:
16/12/2022, 18:28
Does anyone else think that the man identified as Burt Nelson actually looks more like Isarco Ravaioli?
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Nelson left, Ravaioli right. Tough call, they really were very similar looking, but from the eyes and hairline I still favour Nelson
These pics only reinforce my impression. Same distinctive cheekbones and face of the shape. To my eyes, pics 3 and 4 match perfectly.

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Post by FatmanDan » 16/12/2022, 19:29

Johan Melle wrote:
16/12/2022, 19:06
These pics only reinforce my impression. Same distinctive cheekbones and face of the shape. To my eyes, pics 3 and 4 match perfectly.
Ravaioli to me, clearly.

And I was damn proud having spotted Lando Buzzanca in 80.... only to find he's yet in the list
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Post by PeplumParadise » 16/12/2022, 19:49

Looks like we have a Mexican stand-off on the Nelson v. Ravaioli question with 2 against 2 then. Unfortunately the young men in the back of the bath house scene seem to be rather interchangeable and this is the only shot where you see him clearly.

I've moved the image to the unidentifieds.

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Post by Emiliano » 16/12/2022, 20:28

Johan Melle wrote:
16/12/2022, 19:06
PeplumParadise wrote:
16/12/2022, 18:38
Johan Melle wrote:
16/12/2022, 18:28
Does anyone else think that the man identified as Burt Nelson actually looks more like Isarco Ravaioli?
images-side.jpg
Nelson left, Ravaioli right. Tough call, they really were very similar looking, but from the eyes and hairline I still favour Nelson
These pics only reinforce my impression. Same distinctive cheekbones and face of the shape. To my eyes, pics 3 and 4 match perfectly.
Yep! But the image from Ben-Hur is that of in the middle (dressed in white)? If yes we are taking about Isarco for sure.

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Post by PeplumParadise » 16/12/2022, 20:29

Emiliano wrote:
16/12/2022, 20:28
Johan Melle wrote:
16/12/2022, 19:06
PeplumParadise wrote:
16/12/2022, 18:38

images-side.jpg
Nelson left, Ravaioli right. Tough call, they really were very similar looking, but from the eyes and hairline I still favour Nelson
These pics only reinforce my impression. Same distinctive cheekbones and face of the shape. To my eyes, pics 3 and 4 match perfectly.
Yep! But the image from Ben-Hur is that of in the middle (dressed in white)? If yes we are taking about Isarco for sure.
The Ben-Hur image is in the centre

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